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arthur brogard's avatar

I think it is sad that Ukrainians are always overlooked.

'Ukrainians' always means only the Kiev Ukrainians. And given that they're mainly cannon fodder without a voice it really means the regime. And THAT means the USA. So in fact not even the Kiev Ukrainians 'get a mention'.

But what I mean is that the Ukrainian nation should always have been seen as ALL Ukrainians.

That is: the Kiev Ukrainians and the Donbas Ukrainians.

I contend they ARE the 'Ukrainian nation' and they are 'The Ukrainians'.

To use the correct language. Correct definition of terms.

Split into two parts by the Civil War doesn't change that fact, that underlying reality. Until a generation or two has passed the question 'Where are the Ukrainians' should always properly be answered by 'In Kiev oblasts AND in Donbas Oblasts'

Just as the Jewish 'nation' never ceased to exist during the diaspora so currently the Ukrainian nation exists in these two parts.

Seeing things this way, which is the only correct way, changes the picture enormously.

For it puts on the table the possibility of a 'Ukrainian victory' that is not a 'Russian defeat' nor an 'American' or 'NATO' victory.

The Ukrainian nation itself could win handsomely simply by coming together and announcing itself to be one nation with no intent of allowing anyone or anything to separate them, cause the to fight, ever again.

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Dr. Rob Campbell's avatar

Many thanks for that Richard - I'm grateful for your comments and I'll have a look at the links. I'm not sure if I've had an email from you before. Advice on the clobber report is especially welcome. Cheers.

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