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"I can’t see any reason why it would want Westernised areas such as Lviv. "

Wrong. Just like everyone else who has commented on the outcome of this war. And I mean EVERYONE ELSE.

I - and I alone, except for a couple people on Moon of Alabama - have been saying since April, 2022, that Russia will take ALL of Ukraine right to the Polish and Romanian borders. First, because it's a requirement for Russia's national security against NATO, in particular because of the Aegis Ashore installations in Poland and Romania which can only be countered by placing Russian air defenses as close to them as possible, and 2nd, because no one is dumb enough to surrender territory to one's enemies that will be subsequently be used by them against you; that's War 101.

Giving a "rump Ukraine" to NATO just means more trouble. The Russians (hopefully) aren't as dumb as people who think they will do that.

I know this nonsense about a "rump Ukraine" has been a mainstay of the so-called "experts" for the entire war, but it's completely stupid and without any basis whatsoever from the Russian side, other than Putin has hinted he really doesn't care about western Ukraine or that he recognizes that Poland would like to seize western Ukraine. Those statements mean nothing compared to Russia's objective national security requirements.

It also seems to be based on the negotiations in March and April, 2022, when Putin was apparently dumb enough to accept a version of Minsk 2 aka the agreement reached by Ukraine and Russia at that time. Subsequently of course that was refuted by Ukraine and the West, leading to Putin complaining that he had been "played" - which of course he was. Since then he's made it clear that he's learned the West can't be trusted.

People like Alexander Mercouris keep claiming that "we would have had peace" in April, 2022, if the West hadn't told Ukraine to back away from the peace process. That's utter nonsense. All such a deal would have meant is that eventually Ukraine and the West would have reneged on it, just like they reneged on Minsk 2. So Russia would have had to fight the war in six months or a year or two years or five years later under probably worse conditions. So "peace" was not an option and I'm surprised Putin was dumb enough to fall for that. Perhaps he had some plan to achieve more comprehensive results once the conflict stopped, but there's no evidence for that.

But the Russian General Staff was not so stupid. They knew Putin's initial plan was a non-starter, so they constructed a contingency plan: take the entirety of Ukraine off the board permanently and put a Military District in western Ukraine with 400,000 or more Russian troops, 1,500 tanks, air bases with Mig-31Ks loaded with Kinzhals, a naval base in Odessa, S-350, S-350, S-400, S-500, S-550 air defenses, the whole nine yards.

In other words, construct an "Iron Curtain 2.0" from the Black Sea to the Arctic, to join the integration of Belarus' army with the Russian army and the establishment of new Military Districts further north. This is WHY the Russian army is expanding to two million men.

Then of course there was the whole "Russia is afraid of an Ukrainian insurgency" bullshit the so-called "experts" came up with. Forgetting that the Soviet Union already did that for ten years at the end of WWII, killing 200,000 Ukrainians. Not to mention that Russia has already done four insurgencies since then: one in Afghanistan (failed), twice in Chechnya (one fail, one success) and once in Syria (success). Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

In addition to which, this is the Internet and drone age. You can't do insurgencies any more because your planning is exposed on social media you use to organize it, and lethal drones with thermal imaging will kill you in the field. The only insurgencies that work today are ones that are buried deep underground as demonstrated by Hamas and Hezbollah (and originally proven by the Vietnamese.)

People forget that after Russia takes Ukraine, the army will be followed by thousands of military police, Rosqvardia National Guard, GRU, SVR and FSB agents who will comb through Ukrainian social media, locate everyone who has the influence and resources to cause trouble, detain and deport the lot. End of insurgency threat.

Not to mention that an insurgency isn't going to be a serious threat to a Russian Military District with the resources I outlined above.

So an insurgency does NOT translate into Russia abandoning its objective national security concerns.

People get these notions in their heads and then don't bother to think it through. You have to ask the next question. You have to think like the military and intelligence professionals and like heads of states - not "civilians". People like Mercouris, Sachs and Mearsheimer just don't have the background, nor the psychology.

I'm a psychopath. I don't have that problem. LOL

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Joy R's avatar

The contrast between Lavrov and Blinken is laughable. Diplomacy and Blinken are mutually exclusive. He is a total rabbit.

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